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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

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what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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Dang is somebody getting stingy on the space I have to start a new box?

But the U.S. was woefully ignorant and refused to learn from others' mistakes. But that doesn't make the U.S. pawns of Globalists. It makes them stupidly beaucratic; much like other world powers before- Chris

You and Farkel seem to have had a good laugh at the mention of the Trilateral Commission the Buildibergers and the Masons, and the use of the term New World Order are you saying that you don't think those organizations exist, that we the people who believe in conspiricies or those who write about them just pulled all that out of a hat and somehow because we're all crazy like Fox News said or have a personality disorder like someone else suggested that that stuff isn't real? Go down to your local library and look for a book on the Trilateral Commission that's where I first found out about them back in the late 1970's when Alex Jones was probably sitting on his Daddy's knee. Read about all the influential people who cow tow to that organization. Read about some of the shitty things the elite want to do to the rest of us. I am grateful to the alternative media that they tell us things that the main stream media won't because they'd get fired, they were the only ones that told us that cigerette smoking causes cancer for decades the main stream media wouldn't because of advertising revenue so how many people died of cancer as a result.

Now the Buildiberger's (named after the hotel they first meet in, I know sounds like a McDonald's term) would be harder to find out about then those other organizations because the main stream media has not covered their meetings in the fifty years they have existed, even though Alex Jones has filmed them going into their meetings. CBS just recently admitted they exist but Bill Clinton admitted on camera he has been to one of their meetings in Europe, so Farkel tell that to David Copperfield.

Okay the connection proving 911 and pinning it on the Globalists is what's hardest for me but your trying to catch the people at the top, they control everything, but it's logical reasons I have stated and some of their own statements I haven't stated yet that I would use to connect them.

But first assuming it all happened the way the govenment said it did, which is like letting the criminal tell the story of what happened at the crime scene. but assuming it did just look at how they have used 911as the key to open the gate to their goals, as Barrack Obama's chief of staff Roehm Emmanuel said the government hates to waste a good crisis, and they didn't they passed the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act and violated Posse Comitatus and dammed near declared Martial Law all in the name of keeping you safe from terror, oh code Orange I guess we have to frisk the ladies at the airport. Big Brother was drueling down his chin after 911.

With all due respect to you when I mentioned Alex Jones in typical anti-conspircy fashion you went after the messenger and ignored the message, he said the 'London Financial Times' said that the Globalists have stated that they are bringing in Global Government. Hell, Obama was just in London talking about Global Currancney, and Global Banking Systems this as a result of the Financial Crisis created by Wall Steet Bankers none of this originates with the US voters. Congress isn't even given time to read the bills. The Globalists are calling the shots right now in our Government, and as I said before we went into Iraq and Afganistan without a declaration of War first from Congress, it's the UN organization pushing us, that's Globalism. Remember the Constitution says Congress is suppose to declare War first, well that hasn't happened since WWII. It's the Globalists pushing us. Roosevelt went into office promising to stay out of WWII but then did a 180 after Pearl Harbor, but I have read that we had the Japanese's Secret Codes already broken, so we knew their planes were coming, but our military was told to stand down. There was a little privately owned group kept out of the main stream media called the Council on Foreign Relations back then whispering in Roosevelt's ear prior to Pearl Harbor, I heard they said Mr. Rockefeller and his chums in Europe want you guys to get into this War. And so their puppet twisted around and jumped.

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

by leavingwt in

what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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'problems with this paragraph -- (1) "what if". It's never a good sign if a response has "what if" has the hinge bridging two scenarios. No disrespect RGB, but I could play the "what if" game till the cows come home on dozens of topics. Quick aside -- the original SNL used to a semi-regular skit called "What If...'Chris

Well I didn't exactly say Chris what would you like, I would like Brezenski and Rockefellers signature on a confession but that's not what I meant. I meant what evidence do you think would exit if the most powerful people on the planet and face it, who else could have pulled 911 off, if anybody else had done it they would have the Government come after them it could only have been the people who controlled the Government to get away with this one.

I use the phrase what if to cover my own butt, who knows who else could be reading this thread. If the Powers that be could pull of a JF 911 what do you think they could do to me, I have to choose my words carefully were not sitting in a Texas bar talking about this.

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Is This the End of Organic/Small Farming?

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i was shocked to come across this video on u tube.

it documents two bills in congress h.r.

875 and s.425 that could effectively put small farms and organic farms out of business.

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The only way you are ever going to get 'real' 'Organic' food is to jam a bucket in your toilet, piss on your trees and grow your own food in your own garden.

But the problem is that this Bill as I understood it could even regulate the small backyard garden out of existence, by penalizing it as she said in the video for being a source for seed contamination making you liable for a fine, up to $500,000.

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Is This the End of Organic/Small Farming?

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i was shocked to come across this video on u tube.

it documents two bills in congress h.r.

875 and s.425 that could effectively put small farms and organic farms out of business.

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Kurt did you read this Bill? HR 875 This sucker sets up a mega government organizational structure to regulate small and Organic Farms. Seed Contamination Protection, what a joke, Monsanto is the big seed contaminator letting their Genetically Engineered seeds blow all over onto other farms and contaminate them and then charging those Farms with infringing on their seed pattons. The Sponsors of this bill Monsanto, Cargill, ADM, and Tyson Foods?

The Foxes want to set up shop inside the Hen House.

I called my local Co-op and told them to read this Bill.

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

by leavingwt in

what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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This sounds more like al-Qaeda than the Bilderbergers/Masons/Illumanati/Trilateral Commission. -Chris

Weeell, what if al-Qaeda really works for us, al-CIA duh, or at least the Bin Laden branch of it. Don't assume that the Bilderbergers/Masons/Illumati//Trilateral Commison/David Copperfield, (no kidding about Copperfield) are really on the side of USA, if were talking about Globalists they are loyal to social class, bloodlines, they use countries. Yes I am talking about World empire, the dream of dictators and control freaks from the begginning of time. According to Alex Jones there was an article in the London Financial Times where they said yes were bringing in Global Government, yes we have been hiding it from you...yes it's tyranny...but it's good for you.

Remember when Malcolm X said eventually the Chickens come home to roost. Well eventually what gets down in other countries in our name can eventually get turned around and used against us, such as perfected torture techniques, such as public survellience techniques and blasting different sound weapons into Iraq cities to disrupt their thinking process, psych warfare that can be used anywhere, all the money that was funneled into companies owned by Globalists, the terrible effect on the US economy the War has had, the wearing down of our military the war has caused, and yet Obama adds niew troops 30000 to Afghanistan, how many world empires crashed by overextending themselves. Maybe that was what he meant and is the carrying out of his design of "destroying the United States."

RGB, I realize there isn't any proof, only speculation, but even in the JFK murder there was some proof. Granted the proof led to the wrong conclusion, but at least there was something (Oswald's connection to the CIA for example). Here -- nada. The best I've heard is what's been said numerous times and what you reference -- bin Laden's relatives flying out of America on 9/12. -Chris

Chris let me turn this question around, if I am right what kind of proof do you think there should be? Presidents like Kennedy, Eisenhower, Reagan, all the way back to Lincold have warned of hidden groups with Globalists designs at taking your freedom. The 911 Commission admitted it was a flawed report and didn't even consider building seven, doesn't that kind of remind you of the Warren Commission. Remeber when Kennedy said we are opposed by our very nature to secret societies, secret oaths... ooops gotta go later.

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

by leavingwt in

what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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Why do my posts shrink like the above, what button am I hitting, I am not good on this sight.

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

by leavingwt in

what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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" where the story breaks down and becomes illogical.

If the government wanted to engineer endless war in the Middle East, it makes much more sense to have a focused attack on one target, WTC, with explosives that no one would see and could be covered up in the wreakage cleanup.

And how did the government get the cooperation of al-Qaeda to take credit for the attack?" -Chris

I think Farkel is the one who needs to be doing the explaining here, but I'll take another quick shot at it. Remembe Chris your asking me to explain something that has never been proven in total, never been tried in any court and the way it looks probably may only be tried in the Court of Public Opinion, so that's like asking me to explian the motives in a murder case that's yet to be solved. When your trying to accomplish something BIG, something with mutiple goals, and influence the great mass of humanity you need to operate on a grand scale, I previously said Wars in the Middle East were not the only goal. But also symbolism was important your sending a message, as I believe they may have been sending a message with the assasination of JFK. What would be the message since I am not of the elite, the most powerful social class in the World, I can only go on what evidence there is, and guesswork. Let's say most Presidents are puppets and do what the most powerful one per cent of the world who control most things tell them to do. A statement that needs further proof I know, but humor me. Now you get an upstart President. one that comes from their Social Class doesn't do what he is told, one that knows their tricks, their secret societies, their games. He not only double crosses them by not doing what he is told he starts to try to break up their power structure. He threatens to break the CIA into pieces. His brother goes after the mafia and worst of all he passes a bill to to get rid of their biggest money making machine the Federal Reserve which isn't Federal it's private banks but print our money. Okay they privately decide, were gonna have to bump this guy off if were going to stay on top of the world. But wait, we could just stick a little poison in his soup but we also want to accomplish something else, we want to send a message to future Presidents and our Puppets in power all over the world, don't do what we say, end up like JFK. You see how powerful we are, we can whack this guy on main street in front of the whole world and then cover it up in the World's media which we control. Doesn't the mafia on a much smaller scale send little messages like that in the movies say a package of dead fish means Tony sleeps with the fishes to scare the other guys.

Which bring me to the Pentagon. What if they were sending a message through symbolisim, look how powerful we are, we can destroy America, we can destroy the economy as symbolized by the Trade Towers, and we can destroy the Military maybe even the Industrial Military estabilishment as symbolized by the Pentagon, these people aren't talking to us most of the time, were the dumbed down public, their sending messages to their own peer and competitors around the World. David Rockefeller said I want to destroy the United States of America, He and his family along with the Rothchilds and Royal Families of Europe control the majority ot the World's Wealth, these people are not idle chatterers.

How did the Government get Al Qaeda to help? Well remeber who Bin Laden was working for first, no it wasn't Walmart, it was us he was our boy in their war with Russia. And the Bin Laden family, good friends with Bush'es, small world isn't it. I mean Saudi Arabia allegedly, provided most of the hijakcers for the plane, did we go after them? Did even send them an angry note? Now on a day when the average American was told after 911 you can't fly today the Bin Laden's hopped on a plane and went home, you remember. And Bin Laden's never been caught he is not even on the FBI's most wanted list for the crime. Okay I am going to bed now. Maybe I will dream of Farkels, Alfred E. Neuman and the New World Order.

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

by leavingwt in

what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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"Why would the U.S. government want to destroy the World Trade Center and damage the Pentagon? The logistics of the premise also do not make sense. With the 60's assasinations, the premise was that it could be blamed on an individual instead of the real killer"-Chris

You have asked the million dollar conspiracy question, a very, very hard question, everybody else argues about how it happened. I would like to take several stabs at this question it's again late for me and I will just say a few things now. The Gulf of Tonkin incident started the VietNam War. We believed we were attacked, years later it was admitted that LBJ lied we were not attacked there.. Others knew he lied but kept silent. 58000 US soldiers died in Viet Nam. Ask yourself why would the Governemt do that?. What kind of people do that? Not people like us.

That just illustrates that Presidents, Dictators and Ceasers have been caught doing things like that, but specifically is it possible and why on the scale of the Trade Towers and Pentagon though? I have read reports that say we were already getting ready to go to War in Afghanistan before 911. But what would it take to enrage the American people and the World to justify a much broader War. and a continuation of the Gulf War with Saddam Hussien in Iraq, and beyond, perhaps a "hundred years of war" or even "endless war". I am trying to answer your question but it's also about much more than justification for those Wars , about things that are even bigger, I wish somebody would take over this question, but probably no one will, I won't even say I can fully answer it..

Well that's a start. But it's late and I am tired and going to bed. I hope to pick up on this question some time later but it takes a very lengthy answer maybe a book to offer up enough proof to make sense out of it.

"J. Edgar Hoover famously said: “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

by leavingwt in

what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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"However, it is a quantum leap to put the sadistic, nihilistic idiots the Bush adminsitration has trotted out for the past few years into the position of torture for the sake of covering up a bombing on 9/11. "

Well I was about to post on Cheney but somebody may have beat me to it, if I criticize Obama for continuing tortue there are Democrats who jump on me with both feet, but when I criticize Bush or Cheney I get no support from them either. It's kind of like these conspiricy theories Chris, neither one of us or Ninja really like to argue it, but we kind have seen it as our job to defend our beliefs. 9/11conspiracy proof you want, well I am going to bed, maybe tommorrow.

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Truthers: Please Provide Commentary

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what is the conspiracy take on this report from today's news?.

the five detainees at guantanamo bay charged with planning the sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have filed a document with the military commission at the united states naval base there expressing pride at their accomplishment and accepting full responsibility for the killing of nearly 3,000 people.. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/10gitmo.html?_r=3&hp.

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I confess, I did it, what was it again. oh yeees, I did that, what else, ohhhh yeess that tooo.